tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post7912610459622013622..comments2024-03-01T05:31:44.635-05:00Comments on The Village Carpenter: How To Make Stephen Shepherd Say Bad WordsKari Hultmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01224053263659415329noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-80410137932899502752010-08-11T20:32:52.025-04:002010-08-11T20:32:52.025-04:00One of the reasons that hide and other natural pro...One of the reasons that hide and other natural protein glues fail is that when the humidity goes up (barn, basement, old stone church) the bacteria gets going, and munches it up. Not too much difference between soup and glue, and bacteria are well adapted to munching up every last bit.<br /><br />If the joints were made dry, that is dry rods in green wood like someone mentioned, often there will Andersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-62912240749214854252010-07-15T03:56:14.770-04:002010-07-15T03:56:14.770-04:00I can't say I have a strong opinion about glue...I can't say I have a strong opinion about glue, at this stage in my woodworking. I do love a good story and this was just that.<br /><br />Thanks.Extremely Averagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12091831282668222931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-18476659349994263452010-07-13T20:09:52.618-04:002010-07-13T20:09:52.618-04:00I've used your approach, shavings wrapped arou...I've used your approach, shavings wrapped around tenons, with liquid hide glue to repair a number of antique chairs. Unfortunately, I didn't write "Sorry" as you did, because in a number of cases they failed in less than a year. The only real damage is to my reputation and pocket book.<br /><br />Repairing chairs? No thanks.Tico Vogthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15743565097341810389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-77241243424099971882010-07-12T23:44:35.457-04:002010-07-12T23:44:35.457-04:00Heated hide glue should always be used on valuable...Heated hide glue should always be used on valuable antiques. Maybe not the mass produced furniture of old, that's a judgment call - but hide glue in old joints is easy to loosen (water w/ vinegar) and when re-assembled with new hide glue, the old glue will somewhat revitalize and add to the joint's strength. <br /><br />The bonus - as the year's pass, the chair or other piece of willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15590217997145761582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-12030633389701976412010-07-12T20:34:48.593-04:002010-07-12T20:34:48.593-04:00Mark, not to be confused with the kind of sachet o...Mark, not to be confused with the kind of sachet one puts in one's underwear drawer, of course. ; )<br /><br />Rob, fortunately, the chair belongs to my pastor. We don't use these in the church. whew!<br /><br />Erik, I figured they were either assembled with dry spindles and green legs or the manufacturer was just cheap. I think these chairs were made around 1900 and were made in large Kari Hultmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01224053263659415329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-86773493425739284962010-07-12T16:24:55.159-04:002010-07-12T16:24:55.159-04:00Kari,
I'm assuming that the mortises were quit...Kari,<br />I'm assuming that the mortises were quite a bit too big as you had to shim the tenons. Though I'm not sure it would have worked I've used Lee Valley's Repair Glue (I think that's what the call it) with great sucess making similar repairs to my in-laws dining room set. The glue is inserted with a syringe and it causes the tenon to swell, filling the mortise. The Dyami Plotkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04048444158221648393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-6613880233059959922010-07-12T12:47:22.903-04:002010-07-12T12:47:22.903-04:00At the risk of Soap-Boxing, the more you repair ol...At the risk of Soap-Boxing, the more you repair old furniture, the more you learn what not to do when making furniture...Gary Robertshttp://toolemera.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-48378999647880977172010-07-12T08:37:00.753-04:002010-07-12T08:37:00.753-04:00CA glue is reversible with heat. I use it to seat ...CA glue is reversible with heat. I use it to seat crochet needles for my wife and friends and when they need to change the length or size, I put my sodering iron on them for a few seconds and replace. Kari, I know you are catching a lot of heat for not using hide glue, pun intended, I have both a pot and liquid hide glue that I use, BUT if this is a chair in a church in a high traffic area with Docwkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12564658919763400708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-59594202160105980032010-07-12T07:06:31.969-04:002010-07-12T07:06:31.969-04:00Hello again Kari, I´m Julio, I was just passing by...Hello again Kari, I´m Julio, I was just passing by and thought to say ya.<br />Well I´d want to comment on you tha t we both know the rising dovetail joint at last.I don´t know if You have watched my try yet, but please let me show.<br />Have a nice day friend<br />http://www.youtube.com/user/julioyaldonzaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-7161465394965556572010-07-12T06:54:52.781-04:002010-07-12T06:54:52.781-04:00I believe the truly repentant would make glue from...I believe the truly repentant would make glue from their own hide...<br /><br />On the other hand, the joints that appeared to have NO glue, probably didn't and even hide glue is an abomination there. The chair was held together by the differential shrinkage of the pieces. It stayed tight while in a non-climate controlled... climate.<br /><br />Check out John Alexander's books and Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05930332092459194929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-42086864012549142942010-07-12T03:34:34.636-04:002010-07-12T03:34:34.636-04:00Hi Kari - an elegant 'fix' for a tricky si...Hi Kari - an elegant 'fix' for a tricky situation. Alan Peters always recommended a PVA type adhesive for chair work because of it's flexibility, but there is a lot to be said for the view that modern adhesives will make the future repair of current furniture much more awkward.<br />However, you may have made a rod for your own back! Having successfully sorted out one chair, you Woodblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04573880625129679293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-30774942718013391312010-07-12T01:12:53.888-04:002010-07-12T01:12:53.888-04:00You can always use sachets of gelatine to make glu...You can always use sachets of gelatine to make glue. Luthiers usually keep some in the travelling repair kit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-27870500304959820352010-07-11T21:13:06.039-04:002010-07-11T21:13:06.039-04:00You guys crack me up. :D
Vic, I've only used ...You guys crack me up. :D<br /><br />Vic, I've only used hide glue once and it was at Olde Mill, but according to Stephen's book, it doesn't seem all that difficult. <br /><br />Larry, I've heard a lot of people say how much they like hide glue and it does seem to be gaining popularity. A lot like hand tool use. ; )<br /><br />Stephen, thanks for the keeping this show kid-friendly.Kari Hultmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01224053263659415329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-36048927527942228392010-07-11T19:45:10.947-04:002010-07-11T19:45:10.947-04:00My experience with hide glue is only with hot glue...My experience with hide glue is only with hot glue and when I was using an old-fashioned double glue pot, I was not a happy camper. <br /><br />I then realised that in the od-fashioned joiner or cabinet-maker's shop, the glue pot was there all the time ready for use - this is really well described in <i>The Joiner and the Cabinet-maker</i>. So the waiting, the difficulties with small Jeremy Kriewaldt (jmk89)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-8536284821879803202010-07-11T17:21:52.655-04:002010-07-11T17:21:52.655-04:00There are modern glues that are reversible. Cyano...There are modern glues that are reversible. Cyanoacrylate glues are reversible and in my mind are the modern alternative to hide glue (which I use in my shop).Chod Langhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07206960212993351590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-77672571269701658302010-07-11T17:10:29.428-04:002010-07-11T17:10:29.428-04:00Ah, but Kari!
Sorry isn't enough. True woodwo...Ah, but Kari!<br /><br />Sorry isn't enough. True woodworking repentance is when you turn from your old ways and become a faithful user of hide glue.Luke Townsleyhttp://UnpluggedShop.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-22585018446990636482010-07-11T17:07:33.381-04:002010-07-11T17:07:33.381-04:00Stephen wrote "Have I mentioned that I don’t ...Stephen wrote "Have I mentioned that I don’t like modern glues and there is a special place in hell for those that used modern materials for repairing antique furniture?"<br /><br />The bad news Kari is that it sounds like you are going to hell, the good news is that you won't be alone! See you there!Mark Poulsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-89423978022647037582010-07-11T17:00:32.144-04:002010-07-11T17:00:32.144-04:00Kari,
[Expletive Deleted] How hard can it be to p...Kari,<br /><br />[Expletive Deleted] How hard can it be to punch a few buttons and ordering some to have on hand. Get the liquid stuff and store it in a cool place to preserve shelf life and warm it up when needed.<br /><br />Don't let your mother order for you.<br /><br />StephenStephen Shepherdhttp://www.fullchisel.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-16508751330851133052010-07-11T16:54:46.091-04:002010-07-11T16:54:46.091-04:00Love your sense of humor, Kari. I'm with Step...Love your sense of humor, Kari. I'm with Stephen on glue use and really don't understand why more people don't use hide glues. <br /><br />Even if you don't want to gain the virtues of hot hide glue, liquid hide glue has all the application virtues of a PVA glue and most of the advantages of hot hide glue.<br /><br />In my own work, the only time I don't use hide glue is Larry Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02211549672565037525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-6855795666807712482010-07-11T16:30:12.569-04:002010-07-11T16:30:12.569-04:00That's funny, Kari!! The ever repentant Villa...That's funny, Kari!! The ever repentant Village Carpenter. You'll notice I had nothing for your inquiry. I've never done the hide glue thing, either. It seems a rather large hassle. Perhaps, I should get Stephen's book.Vic Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11384910972484732321noreply@blogger.com