tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post4892215861304244398..comments2024-03-01T05:31:44.635-05:00Comments on The Village Carpenter: Vises: Are They Necessary?Kari Hultmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01224053263659415329noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-57343974221460608842012-09-07T08:04:28.367-04:002012-09-07T08:04:28.367-04:00I wonder if the system would work better if the be...I wonder if the system would work better if the bench dog was actually one half of a folding wedge instead of a straight piece?. <br /><br />While I do like my vices(pun intended!), I am a fan of the more traditional workholding methods so thanks for sharing another one for us Kari!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-81734008395975811932012-06-12T01:35:39.467-04:002012-06-12T01:35:39.467-04:00When I first saw it years ago
in a FWW article,
R...When I first saw it years ago<br />in a FWW article, <br />Rob Tarule's interpretation of<br />Roubo's joiners bench<br />struck me as the solution to <br />the problem of paying for <br />a woodworkers vise. <br /><br />Don't buy one!<br /><br />At the time a vise purchase<br />was out of the question for me.<br />Tarule used holdfasts, battens<br />and a planing stop, <br />just asSeamushttp://www.flickr.com/photos/coalandice/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-63058664621424818202012-06-05T12:57:15.221-04:002012-06-05T12:57:15.221-04:00I have that some bench too. Christmas present fro...I have that some bench too. Christmas present from my folks after buying my first house 15 years ago. Yes, just a bit wobbly, but I doubt I'll ever get rid of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-67969926949363339702012-05-16T13:25:44.007-04:002012-05-16T13:25:44.007-04:00I've surfed the net more than three hours toda...I've surfed the net more than three hours today, and your blog was the coolest of all. Thanks a lot, it is really useful to meoffice furniture Perthhttp://www.minkz.com.aunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-35386063061677317592012-05-09T15:30:20.418-04:002012-05-09T15:30:20.418-04:00You’re welcome Kari. If you get a chance to read t...You’re welcome Kari. If you get a chance to read through Josh Finn’s article “Forget What You Know About Workbenches” please let us know your opinion. Thanks Kari.<br /><br />DeanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-80440691002893652162012-05-09T13:19:00.377-04:002012-05-09T13:19:00.377-04:00If a wedge is added is that not a vice, a holding ...If a wedge is added is that not a vice, a holding device?<br /><br />HarryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-75669326761528401712012-05-09T13:12:10.340-04:002012-05-09T13:12:10.340-04:00stustuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-20342200131978844282012-05-05T17:35:30.124-04:002012-05-05T17:35:30.124-04:00Jason, that sounds like a really good exercise. Th...Jason, that sounds like a really good exercise. Thank you for posting it.<br /><br />Scott, that bench cost $139 from a big box store 20 years ago. It's served me well although it's not the least bit steady or flat.<br /><br />Don, when I first got into woodworking I couldn't figure out why workbenches were so important. They looked just like a table with two vises. Live and learn. Kari Hultmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01224053263659415329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-78399038501406891022012-05-05T13:07:00.432-04:002012-05-05T13:07:00.432-04:00The simplicity of this concept reminds me of Joshu...The simplicity of this concept reminds me of Joshua Finn’s workbench. A simple bench using a few clamps and friction to hold work pieces. Fine Woodworking Winter 2008/09 No. 202, or if you have an online membership:<br /><br />http://www.finewoodworking.com/PlansAndProjects/PlansAndProjectsPDF.aspx?id=31729<br /><br />Thanks for the insightful article,<br /><br />DeanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-65638936057794398852012-05-04T14:54:34.375-04:002012-05-04T14:54:34.375-04:00Cari, I just finished 9 drawer's bottom groov...Cari, I just finished 9 drawer's bottom grooves that would not be possible w/o an end vice. I use my plow plane to cut these grooves faster than I could by setting up my router. (much quieter also). I am sure the need/no need is dependent on the type of work that is to be done.mokusakusensei--woods teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03485418248370104706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-58200619332928197362012-05-04T14:38:13.825-04:002012-05-04T14:38:13.825-04:00Hi Kari,
I chose to go after a vise-less setup wh...Hi Kari,<br /><br />I chose to go after a vise-less setup when building my new (very rough) bench... partly due to cost, but mainly because I like the idea of simple workholding and elegant solutions to this kind of thing... there's a lot of power in a simple Wedge ;)<br /><br />Anyways... after some related posts recently on the Old Tools mailing list, I prototyped a very basic wedge-based Rudy X. Desjardinshttp://makerdad.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-82625518456235334232012-05-04T09:09:54.143-04:002012-05-04T09:09:54.143-04:00Kari
I remember once telling Scott Landis that I ...Kari<br /><br />I remember once telling Scott Landis that I viewed a workbench simply as a platform from which I hang vises. I am not sure I am abandoning that view just yet, but my thinking has certainly expanded backwards (in history) on this. The old guys got a lot of stuff right, and I continue to explore their emulation, and recent ongoing incorporation of holdfasts into my work, perhaps IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-39314097832464200622012-05-03T22:11:17.470-04:002012-05-03T22:11:17.470-04:00That cheapie workbench looks familiar! The one I&#...That cheapie workbench looks familiar! The one I'm getting ready to replace appears to be nearly identical.<br /><br />Thanks for this new info. I've been racking my brains to see if I dare forgo vises on the next bench. Between this, crotchets, leg-mounted holdfasts, clamps, wonder-canines, etc, I'm almost convinced.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14836457412929445413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-45532880434057397262012-05-03T22:05:09.126-04:002012-05-03T22:05:09.126-04:00HI Kari:
I didn't put a tail vice on my Roubo...HI Kari:<br /><br />I didn't put a tail vice on my Roubo bench either. I planed the edges of the parallel guide for my leg vice by resting the wood against a plane stop. If you plane the wood with good balance, it won't tip over and will leave an exact 90 degree edge. Robert Wearing mentions this as a way to improve a person's planing technique. It works! One less thing to buy forJasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-30719528105665994582012-05-03T21:43:44.877-04:002012-05-03T21:43:44.877-04:00YES!! Let's have a great adventure!! How coo...YES!! Let's have a great adventure!! How cool would that be?!?!Vic Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11384910972484732321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-11521995262645398952012-05-03T21:19:26.668-04:002012-05-03T21:19:26.668-04:00I love coming across these little tidbits of woodw...I love coming across these little tidbits of woodworking ingenuity in old books and online. <br /><br />It's an interesting discussion about convenience. At what point do we have so many gizmos that do things for us that we lose our talent for resourcefulness and ability to trouble shoot/think outside the box.<br /><br />But, yeah, the holodeck. I am so there.Kari Hultmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01224053263659415329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-12136025376979498122012-05-03T20:52:37.943-04:002012-05-03T20:52:37.943-04:00Great assesment of vise use. I still plan to incor...Great assesment of vise use. I still plan to incorporate a tail vise, but it's nice to know I can get by without it if necessary.Dyami Plotkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04048444158221648393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-8135053882696145892012-05-03T20:51:40.843-04:002012-05-03T20:51:40.843-04:00Great food for thought Kari. I chose not to insta...Great food for thought Kari. I chose not to install a tail vise on my new bench based on: 1. I've never had one and didn't know what I was missing 2. Your experience 3. Lonnie Bird's counsel that you don't need one. There are lots of ways to hold work. Tail vises are great for those who want them, but you can get by without a vise of any kind.Tom Stephensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07826832088718362900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-59145274254997327232012-05-03T20:24:49.853-04:002012-05-03T20:24:49.853-04:00Actually for the time being I work with a wonder p...Actually for the time being I work with a wonder pup from Lee Valley and wonder dogs. I do have a couple of metal working vises (plus a few vices we shall not discuss)but no good woodworking vises.Robert Sanfordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-46977475100843553112012-05-03T20:17:26.987-04:002012-05-03T20:17:26.987-04:00You don't actually need a bench. It's jus...You don't actually need a bench. It's just really awesome to have one!! ;o) I LOVE the little conveniences of life and look forward to the day I just call out what I want to eat and it appears in my replicator, not to mention the hours of fun I'll have in the Holodeck!Vic Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11384910972484732321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8128369950831173916.post-45017080410170441692012-05-03T19:40:36.137-04:002012-05-03T19:40:36.137-04:00I have no real vise, not because of lack of desire...I have no real vise, not because of lack of desire, but because I have been trying to make do with a built-in bench until I can make a French-style bench like you just did. Turns out, it is working out so well that I am not in a rush. <br /><br />For edge jointing, rather than a crochet, I just screwed a 1/2" thick stop vertically at the end of the bench. I also drilled several dogholes upriverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16831787533348044017noreply@blogger.com